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The big debate will finally be settled! Remember this summer when my blog just started blowing up with O'Hara v. Henderson debate! Well that all comes to a dramatic conclusion this weekend and after Saturday we will know which team is better. There are no more excuses. Of course NA and CRN and heck LaSalle and CValley all want to break into that top 2 and they have not forgot that there are medals on the line at this meet. Ultimately I'm excited to see it all unfold and I hope you are as well.

1. O'Hara- O'Hara is a better team than they were a year ago when they were far and away the best team in the state. But they still very well may lose on Saturday. Henderson is very good. I'm holding on to my belief in O'Hara, however. James has taken the next step and is ready to run with the big boys. Pitone and Pastore are years improved off top 50 finishes last year. Savage is a title contender and Hayes and Belfatto are nice insurance legs. Plus they still are bitter from last year's state meet and that goes a long way. Take it from a guy who is feeling similar (much smaller scale of course) after today.

2. Henderson- The hot up and coming dynasty is finally developing into the dream team we talked about over the summer with Russell and Barchet leading the charge. The young guys behind them are developing well. I still have no idea what 7 will be on the line for this meet, but they have the depth that will make them dangerous regardless. The key for me is, and you guys can all criticize the crap out of me for this, but they still are young and they are still relatively unproven on the state course. Can't pull the trigger on the upset for that reason.

3. NA- NA really exceeded my expectations. I knew they would be good but I had no reason to believe they would be this tight at the front. Unfortunately, the tough state course and a young squad without a senior leader, Meehan, could make it tough for them to keep that tight pack together. I see a NA team of a few years ago, 3rd at states but the top PA team at Regionals. They may lose to CRN this weekend however, depending on the strength of CRN's 4-5 young guys.

4. CRN- If they scored XC to 3 guys these guys would be right in the hunt for the state title. Unfortunately, it's scored to 5 and CRN needs to have a step up day from their 4-5 guys to challenge for a podium spot. Those two guys are young and inexperienced on the course which could spell disaster. I see them as running solid and the top 3 pulling them along to 4th and maybe even 3rd, but enough to challenge Henderson.

5. CValley- I'm hoping they continue the trend of running well at states despite Districts being at Hershey. I think they have more than they had at Districts in the tank and I think that will help them shoot up the state rankings. Coburn has some room to improve as well which would be a nice help.

6. Mt. Lebanon- They had an off day at WPIALs for the second straight year, but I am banking on them coming back strong at states for the second straight year. They have experience on the course and have some underrated talent on the roster which should move them back up the state rankings as well.

7. LaSalle- They are rounding into top shape at the right time and finally getting healthy. However, the major risk with picking them is that they only have 5 guys. For all 5 guys to have a good day at the state course you need some luck. In predictions, I can't assume that luck is going to happen so I've dropped them a bit below where their talent alone would place them.

8. Hershey- I see big bounce back races for Demko and Hamilton which should pull the pack up a bit as well. I think they have proven a resilient team all season and should continue to at states.

9. Great Valley- I think they have run this race enough to fix some of their previous issues. Billy Wolffe will be the big runner for them at states I think.

10. West Chester East- I somehow always find myself picking against these guys and they always prove me worng. Well they have limited experience on this course and some young guys in the bunch who have done mostly flat, fast courses. But I invite them to continue to prove me wrong.

11. Lower Dauphin- I think Lower Dauphin had a great day at Districts and really impressed me, exceeding expectations. However, I think that could spell disaster this weekend if they can't repeat the magic on a very difficult course for magic. The only bright spot is Groh can definitely improve on his place.

12. Fox Chapel- See Lower Dauphin above but subtract the last part about having a guy with Groh like upside.

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Pottsgrove has been the favorite ever since they dominated the Pre-States meet. They return everyone from their varsity squad last year and they have the confidence after a great District meet. I still haven't given up on the Grove City bandwagon, however. Maybe it is because I used to see Pottsgrove all the time in AAA and they didn't scare me so I'm biased, or maybe it is because of Dan Jaskowak leading the charge for Grove City. I think that Jaskowak will be more valuable against teams with nice packs like Pottsgrove and Scranton Prep at the state meet than he was at the Pre State meet. I also am counting on a big race from Benka. That being said, I don't make this pick with a lot of confidence. Scranton Prep could very well knock Grove City back to 3rd. Quaker Valley is the defending state champion squad and always shows up at the state meet. Bonner has a nice pack as well and a front runner of their own who can make noise.

1. Grove City
2. Pottsgrove
3. Scranton Prep
4. Quaker Valley
5. Bonner

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There is honestly not much I know about the A team title race, unfortunately I haven't been following it very closely. I know that the state meet will be kind of a front loaded meet and good front runners will be very valuable. I think Northeast Bradford is the clear title favorite because they have two big guns out front. The packs of teams like Masterman I don't think will have enough low sticks to beat them. Elk Lake also has a front runner. I think Saegertown has the best shot of pulling the upset card. They had a great district meet and have room to improve this weekend. It should be a pretty tight race and its going to come down to the #5 runners in a lot of situations.

1. Northeast Bradford
2. Saegertown
3. Elk Lake
4. Masterman
5. Vincentian Academy
6. Fairview

37 comments:

  1. On the single A race - Fairview won't be there as a team, and only their #1 runner, Wilko, qualified for individual.

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  2. This is getting ridiculous! WCE beats CV, Hershey, and GV (four times!) and yet gets ranked below them.

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    1. GV has been consistently overrated on this blog, always about to have that breakthrough race. WCE on the other hand, has had many skeptics at times, including me, and they have yet to have a bad race. I could see them taking 5th or 6th.

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    2. WCE beat CV at Paul Short by over 50 points. WCE should be at least 6th. 10th is just ridiculous

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    3. I have been saying West Chester East from the start when everyone was against me... but with that being said, I admit that Etrain is correct with this one. On WCE's team, only ONE of them have ran the course before. I don't believe that they will just come out the first time and place so high up. GV/CV have multiple runners that have run this course... that's why I believe they got the advantage.

      -RTJ

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    4. Experience on the course is a plus, but not necessarily needed for a team not looking to win it. Cummings Diestelow Dages and Rogers should just find guys they know they can run with who have experience. Shoulder Willig/Wolfe, how hard is that?

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    5. Extremely hard. As anybody who has run the Hershey course will tell you. It's not just about knowing where you need you need to be in the race, it's about knowing when to push and where you're most comfortable making moves. I've seen multiple strong, intelligent runners run themselves ragged on the first mile/two miles of that course and not have enough left to take the finishing hills (see "Jeff Groh, Foundation Race" or "Jeff Groh, District 3 Meet 2012"). Even though WCE most likely knows exactly who to stick with, sometimes it's not that easy. A team that is familiar with a course that brutal will have the advantage every time.

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    6. Tailing experienced runners on an unfamiliar course is actually a smart and common tactic. It's the safe play. Put a coach and non-running teammate at different points to shout out goal times and place. Experience is huge on a course like Hershey but without it, utilize the runners who have it.

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    7. I never meant to imply that tailing experienced runners wasn't a smart tactic, I simply pointed out that, on a course like Parkview, it's a lot more difficult than the previous Anon had implied. Pardon the cliche, but it's "easier said than done."

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  3. They have little experience on Hershey if u read his preview tht why he picked against them

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  4. 4 teams from the Chesmont League in the top 8 - that's insane! (Penn Track Ranking)

    1. Cardinal O'Hara (12): Won District 12 AAA title with 20 points
    2. West Chester Henderson (1): Won District 1 AAA title with 67 points
    3. North Allegheny (7): Won District 7 AAA title with 50 points
    4. Council Rock North (1): 2nd place in District 1 AAA race with 133 points
    5. West Chester East (1): 3rd place in District 1 AAA race with 196 points
    6. Lasalle (12): 2nd place in District 12 AAA race with 40 points
    7. Great Valley (1): 4th place in District 1 AAA race with 218 points
    8. Downingtown West (1): 5th place in District 1 AAA race with 253 points
    9. Cumberland Valley (3): Won District 3 AAA title with 166 points
    10. Fox Chapel (7): 2nd place in District 7 AAA race with 136 points

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  5. AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE ITS NOT WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IT IS WHAT WILL BE DONE NONE OF THOSE EARLY MEETS COUNT IT SHOWTIME NOW...

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  6. There seem to be a lot of pundits that continue to underestimate the talent and desire of the WCE squad whether it comes to ranking the individual runners or the squad in total. The seasons body of work speaks for itself. Through the season ETRAIN has been an ongoing source of motivation for the team. It looks like he tried to help them out one last time.

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  7. Just to have everyone remember, Great Valley only lost to WCE by 2 pts at chesmonts in the mud on a rough course (apparently it was long?). Hershey will be close to the same conditions and GV has the experience edge. It'll be interesting how this plays out.

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    1. Of course, WCE beat Great Valley by 100 pts in the mud at Paul Short.

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  8. I don't disagree that WCE will be around 10th but GV will be trashed, younger team and no front runners at all

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    1. Can you please explain to me how GV's top seven is younger, given that it consists of five juniors and two seniors? And almost all of them have run at states before, so age/experience is not an issue.

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    2. also can you explain what your concept of a front runner is?

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    3. Seemed like Willig was a pretty solid "front runner" (29th) for GV today and they took down WCE.

      Hard to pack it up at the state meet. CRN did it to win in 1996 with Fr Coval finishing in 15th, and the pack of 2-5 in 27th -35th behind him. Unless you've got 3 medalists now a days it's tough to win with a pack (as shown today).

      Love's shoe fell off and he tripped (from what i've heard) which is why he finished behind the pack. He was with them around 1k to go when I saw. So little things happen that hurt a team.

      --ForrestCRN

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  9. WCE is going to win. Calling it now

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    1. Wonder if this is the same guy pushing DTW before. Although he would probably say DTW is resting up during states to do better at Regionals.

      I am thinking 5th or 6th for WCE.

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    2. Nobody expected WCE to win in 2005, just saying...

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  10. We should just call west Chester east Chester cause the west and the east cancel each other out and therefore Chester!

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  11. Why don't we worry about who's going to get 1st, not 7th... Good idea.

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    1. See previous blogs for O'Hara vs. Henderson vs. NA (vs. CRN) discussions

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    2. What's wrong with worrying about the other teams too? Actually, 1 & 2 are pretty much O'Hara/Henderson. After that, the race for the others finisher is very interesting.

      WCE N/A & GV will return most of their runners next year so it'll be interesting to see how they do this year.

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    3. Along with those 3 you mentioned WCH will be by far the most talented of their returners. Ohara has some decent guys returning as well with Kevin James, Belfatto, Drew Pastore, Morro, and Nick Smart (apparently got injured). Im not saying they'll be the dynasty they have now, but they'll have decent squad.

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  12. WCE will return their top 3 and their #5 who is injured

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    1. A number of teams are returning most of their key runners (I would also include Penncrest and LD in the list). However, Henderson stands well above the rest.

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  13. I'm sticking with WCH to win. O'hara is much better than I thought they would be and WCH has been a little slower to reach their potential, but they're just about there now. Unless WCH comes out real flat, they should squeak by.

    For them to win it'll take Russell/Barchet to come in before any O'hara runners and then probably just 3 of the others need to come in ahead of O'hara's 5th. I think they'll do it, with Russell winning the race. Scoring is tough to predict, maybe WCH 95, OHara 110.

    -RJJL

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  14. We shall see tomorrow!

    Teams:
    1- O'Hara
    2- Henderson
    3- Council Rock North

    Individuals:
    1- Austin Pondel
    2- Dan Savage
    3- Brent Kennedy
    4- Tony Russell
    5- Ross Wilson
    6- Tom Coyle
    7- Connor Quinn
    8- Connor Harriman
    9- Reiny Barchet
    10- Kevin James
    11- Max Norris
    12- Jack Macauley
    13- Mac Emery
    14- Ean DiSilvio
    15- Alec Kunzweiler
    16- Mac Emery
    17- Ethan Martin
    18- Ryan Hertzog
    19- Ernie Pitone
    20- Even Williams
    21- Francis Ferruzzi
    22- Josh Zemet
    23- Adam Bodine
    24- Sam Webb
    25- James Zingarini

    Just missing (no order): Chris Kazanjian, Ken Leidel, Joey Steadman, Matt Willig, Bobby Rimkis and Chris Pastore.

    -RTJ

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  15. I think that WCE is going surprise everyone and steal 3rd. I think they've been underrated by a lot of people (including myself for most of the season). They won't get close to Henderson or O'Hara, but packing enough firepower to nudge CRN for 3rd.

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    1. Don't forget about N/A. They're a 3rd place just waiting to happen. I was an early WCE doubter too. Not deep enough, too much too soon, can only win the small invitational...etc. They've been solid all year, I hope they hang on for one more.

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    2. Actually, WCE ran very well again. Willig came up big for GV and that was the difference.

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  16. Bonner is pulling the big upset. their front runner McDermott is a threat and followed by a good solid pack and they showed what they can do at districts watch out for them!

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  17. I don't think GV had an issue with a "front runner" or age. 3 of their top 5 were juniors and one finished 29th...
    Next year is going to be crazy with all the runners Henderson, N/A, and GV return. Overall exciting race and congratulations to Henderson for earning the victory.

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